I grabbed my first copy from the book A program in Miracles circa 2005. I’d heard it referenced by many people in the spiritual teachers I was into at the time and figured I will probably check it out. Certainly one of my first memories of reading the program was looking at a medical facility bed while expecting x-rays on my small ankle from the skateboarding accident. From the reading the introduction, which said, “Nothing real may be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.” Sounds good right? Well I’d be completely brimming with shit easily said I needed some revelation, or really even any clue to what that meant. It sounded and also esoteric however, and so i please read on. Immediately after weeks, I place the Course aside since it was the equivalent to reading the sunday paper designed in Chinese. I happily went back to reading my books by Ram Dass and Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche….No less than I could understand some of them, at least pretend to when you first speak regarding the subject.
Fast-forward to 2007. I was in the local library while i stumbled on a good book called Tricks of the Immortal: Advanced Teachings from your Course in Miracles. I’d again be lying only said I needed any revelation out of this audio book, not because its content wasn’t sufficient, but because I downloaded it to my computer rather than listened to it. Again, I went back to reading my others spiritual texts, at this time I’d advanced for the like of Ken Wilber & Sri Ramana Maharshi, definitely more difficult to make believe you know very well what we were holding saying in conversation, however i tried.
12 months later, in 2008, for whatever reason, I looked over my copy of the Course in Miracles making it the resolution that we would definitely finally read it, and not only see clearly, but understand it! Well, I will state that now I saddled with it, generally. I remembered the audiobook I’d ripped to my library the year before, and so i uploaded it to my trusty iPod and commenced listening to it on various commutes. Tips for the Immortal actually broke the Course down in the comprehensive, yet user-friendly way that I possibly could work with.
Most way from the audiobook I realized I didn’t know who I was listening too (damn bootlegged copies), so I went back to the computer and located out it absolutely was Gary Renard. That name really meant nothing to me at that time, nor did one of the other Course teachers like Kenneth Wapnick or Marianne Williamson, because this is not only a particularly popular spiritual path. Not since it is a strict discipline, or there is certainly dogma mounted on it. However, it is the the complete opposite of that.
After completing Gary’s mp3 audio book, I shifted on the firstly his two books created by Hay House, titled The Disappearance from the Universe. I found DU (because it is often referred to by it’s readers) and was literally engulfed from the time I began. Not only achieved it carry on and breakdown this course in a manner that I really could understand, but it also talked about many contemporary issues, and how they may be seen differently over the Course. I finished DU in approximately per week and found a replica of Your Immortal Reality.
Your Immortal Reality really solidified my faith in Gary’s teachings as after I finished it, I’d simply no problem reading and understanding A Course in Miracles. That is not to say I don’t have to take a seat with, and contemplate a lot of its passages from time to time, but without Gary’s work, my copy of an Course in Miracles would nevertheless be collecting dust around the bookshelf. Okay so what inside the hell is often a Course in Miracles? Please read on and pay attention to! (*Note- I must reiterate that although A Course in Miracles is my own, personal, personal spiritual path, I, in no way, wish to promote, or endorse it over some other spiritual tradition, most of which have already been wonderful catalysts in my spiritual path, and i also still tap into today.)
The Gary Renard Interview PT I of II
TIS: So let’s just get straight into it…According to A Course In Miracles (also referred to as ACIM), interviews we are going to do at this time is surely an illusion. Can you explain that for those not really acquainted with ACIM’s teaching?
GR: Sure. People can consider the universe of energy and space as being a projection. Those who have read my books realize that I love to see a movies, and an analogy I enjoy make is this, I am going in the theatre and i also want it to be real. The lights go down and my attention is diverted to the screen. As I learn to focus on the screen, I could get sucked in to the story, possibly becoming emotional, and even talking to the screen. And so i forget there’s certainly not anything happening there, that it is trick, a fantasy, a sleight of hand. The American Indians use to express, “behold, the great mystery”. Well the Course says “behold, the truly great mystery”, but it also says “behold, the great projection”. It’s rather a projection from the projector, that is hidden. When you’re in the theatre, you just aren’t meant to take into account the projector, you’re designed to forget about it while keeping focused on the watch’s screen, which is what folks are performing here too. They’re concentrating on the screen we call life, plus they think it’s reality, speculate the Hindu’s, Buddhist’s & ACIM says, it really is an illusion. The program further refines that idea into this being ideal that we will awaken from, and that awakening this is the same as enlightenment. It’s what Buddha meant while he said “I am awake”. He had actually awoken from the entire dream of space and time.
Let’s quickly say I’m within the theatre and I wish to change what’s on the screen, not in a temporary way, but permanently. A way where I can obviously have something happen that could work. Basically planned to change what was with that screen, it can’t do me a lot of all set up and fuss by it. I’d personally must do not forget that there is a projector which is hidden in the back, that i am not meant to take into consideration that. Well, only really want to change what’s on-screen inside a permanent way, then not only would I have to understand that there is a projector, I’d personally also need to think it is, and modify what’s inside it.
If I could do this, I’d personally be coping with the reason, rather than effect. I might be coming from a position of power because I’d be doing a thing that will work permanently as opposed to only temporarily. It will supply real power because I will be dealing with the source, rather than the result, that is exactly what the Course teaches, that’s it’s a course in cause, rather than effect. What’s more, it says “seek never to customize the world, seek rather to modify your mind regarding the world”. That is because when you visit mental performance, you’re going to where the projector is hidden, where this universe of your energy and space is arriving from. What we’re seeing is originating coming from a projector which is actually hidden in the unconscious mind. I am not just referring to someone unconscious mind, which many people call the subconscious. I’m referring to the unconscious mind many of us share. There’s really only certainly one of us sharing this unconscious mind that is certainly the location where the universe of your time and space is coming from.
So consider it as being being a movie that you’re watching. The program says you’re revealing mentally truley what has now gone. So it’s already over so far as this course can be involved, and we’re just watching it. We presume however, that we’re actually within it, and the way out, would be to change what’s from the mind in accordance with the Course. It’s actually a different type of forgiveness than most of the people take into consideration however, which we’ll enter. Precisely what that does, would it be undoes it that I’ll call the “ego”. You can imagine the ego as being the notion of separation, the thought that we’ve adopted they identity and private existence that’s somehow outside of its source.
Our experience now, is that we’re separate, that your body personifies. The world thinks like we’re in bodies, and separate from others, along with our source, that is God. So you can consider the ego as the concept of separation. What the Course and other great spiritual teachings do is that they undo the ego. That’s one of the things taught to me by my teachers inside the Disappearance from the Universe as well as Your Immortal Reality. They trained me in the Course and what this means, using a huge selection of quotations as a result to demonstrate how it is actually saying. They did it in such a way that I may back and truly understand it’s teaching. During their second visit, my teachers explained i would definitely buy my first copy of the Course, therefore i did, plus it made no sense in my opinion whatsoever. It may as well happen to be designed in a foreign language. After 7 or 8 visits from them however, I possibly could go back and study the Course, and yes it actually made sense. After seeing that, I assumed there is something there, and that it would certainly work.
So eventhough it took a long time to the book to be ready, I bound to it. It was a labor of love. Irrrve never knew When it would be published or otherwise not, or what the reaction will be. It’s since worked out adequately though. One thing my teachers educated me was that salvation, since the Course says, is undoing. The reason that’s a brilliant approach is simply because if you undo the ego, which is the false you, should you could completely make it happen job, then eventually the real you would be all that’s left. The genuine you has nothing to do with the universe of your energy and space. The real you ‘s what the course would call spirit, however the Course uses words differently than most people understand them. If the Course says “spirit”, it isn’t really discussing a solid idea of individuality. A lot of people consider spirit as the equivalent of the soul. You’ve got a soul and die, and there is this thing which goes on as soon as you, which looks suspiciously like the body you just left. Well that’s still a concept of individuality and separation.
When ACIM uses the term “spirit”, it isn’t really discussing something which belongs to it, it’s speaking about something is likely comparable to its source, which can be God. It’s speaking about something may go through, and this experience is likely just like being God. In reality, the program describes it as the notice of perfect oneness, therefore it is an experience you’ll have, while you seem like here walking on inside a body. The quickest method to obtain that experience would be to undo the ego, which leaves you within a condition of spirit. At one point, this course says that the mind could be the activating agent of spirit. Therefore it is by choosing (and that is where forgiveness also comes in) how you consider people. We can elect to obtain them as being separate bodies, and when we do that, that’s how we’ll experience ourselves. When we imagine them as being beyond their own health though, then we’re doing exactly what the Course suggests, which is click beyond the veil, and overlooking one’s body. Eventually, we’ll visit experience our self to spirit, that’s provided that you think of them to be nothing more than God, but rather, as being the whole thing.
There’s not one speck of knowledge inside the universe of your time and space that your particular unconscious brain is unacquainted with. It truly knows everything. It will need to have access as it’s projecting the universe of energy and space, so that it will have to have got all in the information that’s contained inside it. Now, something your unconscious mind knows, is always that there exists really only one of us. We presume we have six billion people out there, with numerous decisions to select from, and trillions of objects inside the universe of time and space. The simple truth is though, no matter how many times you divide and subdivide, there’s really only among us that thinks it’s here. There’s just this one ego that thinks it’s separated itself looking at the source and taken for this personal identity and individual existence. There’s just one single ego that thinks it’s here, and you are clearly it, it isn’t really some other person, there is not anyone else.
The rest is the thing that the Hindu’s call the concept of multiplicity. It’s literally a sleight of hand, an illusion. So we’ve been tricked with that thing, I’m calling the ego, since there is something unfortunately we cannot learn about it. The ego likes this idea of separation. It desires to keep it up, since it feels important & special. It’s like Jesus’ prodigal son story- he leaves his fathers house, sounding by himself as he thinks the guy can fare best, which actually is a blunder. All of that he finds is scarcity, so you can’t have scarcity in heaven because whatever you have is definitely an understanding of perfect oneness, that i mentioned earlier. Inside the condition of perfect oneness, you’ve everything, so you can’t have scarcity in case you have everything. Additionally you can’t have death when you’ve got perfect oneness. It’ only if you will find the split from that perfect oneness that you simply set up opposites along with the chance of an opposite to life, which can be death, along with the possibility of a contrary to abundance, which can be scarcity.
So everything you’re seeing is founded on duality. That is why it says within the book of Genesis, you shall not eat in the tree of information of proper and evil, of waking time you take in than it, you shall die. Well good and evil are opposites, once you might have opposites, you’ll have death. You can’t have death high no opposites though, which is why ACIM says right in it’s introduction, the contrary of affection is fear, but what is encompassing, that’s obviously God, can have no opposite. What exactly we would like to do is go back to a spot where there is no such thing as opposites, where there isn’t any death or scarcity. That is the concept of going home that Jesus is trying to share within the prodigal son story. Eventually the prodigal son realized he made a mistake, that is which he had left, which the main one decision he to produce ended up being leave, that they did. You find also in that story, the prodigal son has a lot of strange ideas about himself. He thinks he’s guilty, and possesses ideas that he’s committed a sin against his father, and is not worthy being called God’s on. So he says, well maybe only go home I can start towards the bottom and work my high as one of His servants and obtain back into his good graces. Just what the prodigal son doesn’t comprehend is that God doesn’t share any sexual ideas about him.
The Bible and ACIM say God is good love, therefore if perfect love actually is perfect love, then everything that God know how to do is love. If he knew the way to be angry, wrathful or judgmental, then it may not be perfect love. What ACIM does is impart us with a God that really is perfect love and all that God wants is good for us to come home. The rest of the ideas, because the Course puts it, are the own nightmare and do not exist. So in that sense, it really is an aspiration of guilt and separation that we are having. The thought is always to undo that with the procedure for forgiveness in places you see people to this perfect spirit, as your unconscious mind knows everything, the other of the items it knows is always that there in fact is one among us. So it doesn’t matter what you think about another individual, it’s not dining out in them, it’ll you. Your unconscious mind will interpret that it is a message within you, for you, contributing to you, as it recognizes that there is really only one of us.
There is a important law from the mind which is articulated within a Course In Miracles that is simple, but true. It says, “As you see him, you will note yourself”, so whatever you’re interested in another person is absolutely just gonna you. It will determine how you’re feeling of you and eventually how you feel you’re. You can feel that you might be a body knowning that you’re separate, additionally, you can feel that you’re this perfect spirit that’s identical to God. Based on the Course, mind is the activating agent of spirit and that’s the best way to actually change your example of life, coming from a condition of depression to some state of happiness. You gradually make room on the experience with being spirit.
The ironic thing is that you could have your lifetime. You don’t need to give anything up, you’ll still live a normal life this will let you great time. In the event you meet someone and fall in love, and even get married, do it. I just marry myself a year ago. Whatever is at front of one’s face will be first of two purposes. You can either judge it, or forgive it. There’ll be when it’s not necessary to forgive anything. The main focus of ACIM isn’t on forgiving romantic a uses the shore or music or art. The target from the Course is on forgiving the negative emotions that can come up.
This course also claims that anger is never justified. This doesn’t happen claim that you’ll never get angry, I can just about guarantee you that you’re going to. It will state that it’s never justified as well as the sooner that you understand that, the less you’ll suffer. The reason why anger isn’t justified happens because what you’re seeing is a projection which is via you. You’re the individual who made it up and set the individuals there, you desired the crooks to be there. That might seem challenging to believe in the beginning, that’s exactly what it suited you. The guilt you felt over separating from God is viewed as being beyond you, as opposed to in the human body. This is the whole reason for projection. A psychologist would let you know that whatever is denied, must be projected. Well what we’re considering within the universe of your time and space is in fact a thing that is synonymous with separation, but it’s using a massive metaphysical denial prior to time began, ahead of what was the important Bang inside the universe of your time and space.
There have been these items that particular ego felt very guilty about, and exactly how that that ego thought it might remove that guilt was to deny it. Once it absolutely was denied, it had been projected outwards which is where the projection is originating from. The best way house is to undo the projection, which yet again is the reason this course says that salvation is undoing. So by undoing it, eventually that have of separation disappears. You come back on the connection with perfect oneness and you then are enlightened, and as the Course puts it, the time can come when you are scheduled to look at of here. So you’ll lay your body aside for that final time, and because there is no ego, there isn’t any reason behind you to definitely return. To ensure perfect oneness with God gets to be a prominent experience for you personally, when you lay one’s body aside to the final some time and simply leave. Then a experience with perfect oneness becomes your permanent reality.
TIS: Phew. I’ve read your books, and followed your audiobooks numerous times, and that’s still a lot to ingest. There’s a deep truth that resonates for me though because you speak however.
GR: Yeah, the program says a whole lot, but you’ll notice that everything the program says, all fits together, kind of like a hologram.
TIS: Right.
GR: You can state that this course gives you two complete and mutually exclusive thought systems. There is an thought system of the Holy Spirit, that is about love and forgives, and actually becoming love yourself within your experience, and how you gaze at others, that can naturally result in you treating others with love. Then you’ve the ego thought system, that’s all about judgment and condemnation. This course says you can only do 1 of 2 things. It says, “He who’d not forgive, must judge, for he has to justify his failure to forgive”. So if you feel not planning to forgive someone, then you need to generate up an entirely story about why they are not worthy of your forgiveness, plus it would take a shorter period simply to forgive them.
One of the other items I enjoy concerning the Course is that it actually will give you a way home, a means because of this mess. I’m not saying you should not enjoy it if you are here, it’s only that this person is temporary, you won’t last. People think it is extremely valuable, but wait, how valuable can something be when it is temporary and it’s not going to last? The best thing you can use it for would be to learn and communicate, and share the truth with folks. Now you ask ,, how are you likely to use the time you are here. A few times the program asks the gender chart for, regarding the pain you are seeing… the gender chart for? Well, it’s for forgiveness because by forgiving, you undo the ego along with your experience changes, and it is a better experience. It happens to be safer to certainly be a spirit than a body. It’s better to certainly be a butterfly than the usual caterpillar, it’s actually a less restricted life form as well as a high quality of life. It’s rather a win-win situation.
You can still have your lifetime and pretend that you’re a doctor, or perhaps a racecar driver, or attempt what I actually do, and pretend you’re a spiritual teacher and go worldwide and speak with people. My teachers Arten and Pursah explained it doesn’t matter a few things i do, my real job is forgiveness and everything else is simply a cover job. The forgiveness opportunities arrive up for people, and they can be found in a variety of forms. This course states that the right lesson is usually till you, though this is seldom recognized. Therefore it is no mystery that which you are designed to forgive, that is whatever is proper in front of your face. Those are the lessons how the Holy Spirit wants you to definitely learn, and forgive.
It is not always fun because this is quantity of duality. You will have both fun times and bad while you’re here. There is not any leaving that as this is an enormous amount of opposites. So there will be times where you need to forgive, and instances when you may not, when you are enjoying themselves which enable it to just “celebrate” as the Course says. ACIM is a happy type of spirituality. It references the happy dream and like a happy learner. One of several ten characteristics of the teacher of God is joy. This isn’t an suffering, morose kind of spirituality. It is not a religion. ACIM is a self-study course. It’s done between you and your Holy Spirit or else you and Jesus, or whatever you’d like to think of it as. Jesus could be the teacher in the Course. He speaks in first person and clear it’s given by him. Making this a cheerful way of spirituality, but it’s changing exactly how people glance at the historical Jesus.
I’m happy to see that nowadays any time you are going into Unity Churches, or you visit to my place, there is a drawings and paintings of Jesus, and he’s laughing and smiling, that is certainly the way he to be real. He wasn’t some suffering, unhappy guy. He’d a feeling of humor and that he was married to Mary Magdalene. He previously normal relationships, and friends plus they partied when they wanted too. They’d check out a wedding celebration that may last three weeks because which is the way things were back then. I do think you get a better view of what life was like during the time Jesus lived by reading the Old Testament, a lot more than one does reading the modern Testament because that’s what it really was like. You read such things as Solomon and it is pretty racy stuff. There’s a lot of sexual things mentioned. The stuff about being puritans and goody two shoes came after Jesus. This didn’t have almost anything to do with what life was like when he was running around. All of that is made up by the church since they wanted make-up a religion and they also did.
The material of Jesus got completely lost and turned into its opposite, which is a message of suffering and sacrifice, and that’s not what he was about whatsoever. He was ready eliminate suffering and sacrifice. Probably the best illustration would be the fact he couldn’t feel any pain following his life. As ACIM puts it, the guiltless mind cannot suffer, and Jesus’ mind had been completely healed with the Holy Spirit, so he had no guilt in their mind, which meant he couldn’t suffer, this meant he couldn’t feel any pain. So this whole indisputable fact that somehow he suffered and sacrificed himself for our sins has nothing to do with him. It’s really a comprised theology through the apostle Paul. In reality, it’s Paul’s theology, this is the first step toward Christianity. It’s not based on the teachings of Jesus.
Here you’ve got a Jesus who could forgive anybody, regardless if these folks were killing him, but nowadays there is an “Christians” who can’t forgive people who have done not them? There is a contradiction here. It’s a convoluted sort of Jesus. I do think one of the reasons my books, and ACIM did very well, and which I think will continue to, because Course will probably be around to get a thousand years, happens because at the end of the afternoon it makes sense. It’s a complete thought system. Everything fits together and is also determined by love and forgiveness.
Should you have a look at a few of the old Greek texts, right away of Christianity, they employed to say (about the early Christians), “you’ll know them by their love”. The first concise explaination the phrase “repent” in Greek is all about a change of mind. It’s not about taking care of your act on the amount of the globe. This really is at the level of mental performance contributing to a change of mind. That has been the first idea, because they ended up getting several of what Jesus was saying during the time. ACIM ‘s all done at the level of mental performance, because this is the amount of cause, and also the world is simply the effect. I’m not really proclaiming that you can not have it, and revel in it, but at the conclusion of the afternoon it’s actually a temporary experience.
It’s exactly what the Buddhist’s call impermanence, and because it’s impermanent and temporary, you can not find any permanent satisfaction or happiness there. It is definitely simple to find permanent happiness in changing your appearance in the world though, which again is the reason why this course says, “seek to never change the world, seek rather to change your mind concerning the world”. If you accomplish you may be coping with how much cause rather than effect, which can be essential.
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